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Paeonia
'Oriental Gold'
type:
[intersectional hybrid]
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identical with the herbaceaous variety registered under this name by
Smirnow
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(Itoh-hybrid
from Japan)
Mr. Smirnow brought the Ito hybrids to the U.S.A and published
five varietal names for them. Oriental Gold was one of these
varieties and is now grown in Japan. Large size. Midseason. Tall.
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Beitrag
von marcir am 15.5.2007:
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der Pflanzung/date of planting: 21.Dez. 2000
bezogen von:/ purchased by: Wolfgang
Giessler, Gross Rosenburg
History
of my plant: Mr. Giessler purchased the plant from
W.Linnemann, who bought it in 1999 from a japanese nursery under the
name 'Oriental Gold'. Mr. Linnemann treats it as an Intersectional
hybrid, he thinks, that it is a japan-made hybrid. The appearance of
my plant differs substantially from what Smirnow described at the
registration of the plant with the same name. The stems are woody at
the base, and there is nothing in yellow colors on it. Maybe in
spring this can change.
I
wrote a message to the eMail-Forum peony@egroups.com
on Dec. 30, 2000:
A
few days ago I was given a nice large plant of Oriental Gold . I took
it in the hope of bringing some light into the mysterious Far Eastern
Yellow peonies, but this plant looks more than an Intersectional
hybrid, there is nothing yellow on it. Does anyone know more on
this?? Carsten
These
were my answers:
Hi
Carsten, You didn't say if you have an actively
growing plant which seems unlikely or a dormant crown. If the plant
is truly 'Oriental Gold' it will have a bright yellow cambial layer
just below the bark of the crown and roots. Jim Langhammer
Dear
Carsten, Bill Seidl wrote an article "Fifty
Years of Intersectional Breeding" in the December 1999 APS
Bulletin. In this article (pg. 29) he tells that the Japanese Tree
Peony Society book has a picture of an intersectional hybrid labelled
as ORIENTAL GOLD. He believes that this is really YELLOW EMPEROR
because of the relatively small amount of red in the centre. The
article further states that the JPTS book credits Itoh with 5
hybrids, one of them being ORIENTAL GOLD. Seidl mentions that Smirnow
was aware of the incorrect use of the name "ORIENTAL GOLD"
in Japan and expressed his displeasure in Bulletin #225 (1978).
Apparently two Japanese
nurserymen had grouped the Itoh hybrids together and were offering
them as ORIENTAL GOLD at high prices. In the article Seidl also
points out that the checklist (Originations, pg. 117) lists OG as
having been imported in 1960 which is of course a typographical error
since on page 75 of the same checklist we see that the name was
registered in 1954. An article in Bulletin 134, presumably written by
the then editor George Peyton since Smirnow is referred to in the
third person, Smirnow had originally imported ORIENTAL GOLD roots
prior to 1954. These all died and a second importation turned out to
be untrue. The roots from the third attempt were the first to flower,
in the spring of 1954. Reiner
Dear
Reiner, It seems, you are a living lexicon!
Thank you very much for the quick response. I'd like to use your
posting on paeon.de, if you permit. Best wishes Carsten
Carsten,
Permission granted! Glad you found it of
interest. Reiner
Carsten,
The application of the name ORIENTAL GOLD to
the Itoh hybrids may still occur in Japan. In the September 1985
Bulletin (#255) there is an article originating in Japan in which
that name is used for the Itoh hybrids. They have given the name Yo
Kihi (or Yokihi in Seidle's article) to what we know as the
herbaceous ORIENTAL GOLD registered by Smirnow in 1954. If you look
at www.peonygarden.com you will find an ORIENTAL GOLD "Itoh"
listed there. This is perhaps more than you wanted to know. Reiner
Dear
all, I viewed the pictures of the division of
Oriental Gold from Carsten. Don Hollingsworth wrotes in his catalog
that Akihi, Yokihi and Golden Wheel (Huang Jin Lun)all are synonims.
I received a small division this year of Huang Jin Lun but the roots
are quite different than the pictures from Carsten. The color of the
roots of Huang Jin Lun are yellowish green. Oriental Gold is the
podparent of Gilbertson's Goldilocks. Gilbertson wrotes that
Goldilocks doesn't have yellow-green sprouts when emerging. Huang Jin
Lun also has yellow-green sprouts. Are Oriental Gold and Huang Jin
Lun the same? Dick
Dick,
We discussed ORIENTAL GOLD/GOLDEN WHEEL early
in 2000. You can check the archives for these two names. The
consensus at that time was that they are the same plant. If we assume
that ORIENTAL GOLD (ex Japan/Smirnow, 1954) is unique then all the
names you list are synonyms. I am not aware of any suggestions that
more than one variety exhibiting these characteristics exists. Reiner
Dear
Dick, Jim, Reiner & Andrea, thanks for your
interesting postings. I was aware of the problem and asked the man
with the plant before ordering, if there is any yellow on it. For
this reason my plant was free too. So, after all, we know, that there
are plants in commerce under this name, which are surely not true to
name. I have already informed Mr. L. about his plants, hoping he will
be able to correct on it. And hoping the japanese nursery will
correct the misnaming policy with time. I cannot imagine, that they
don't know of the difference between Yokihi & their 'OG'. I will
try to get a correct plant with time next year (or somebody with a
blooming one in my near). I will write an article on this topic in
the 'Staudengarten', if time permits until Jan.15. Hoping more people
in Germany know about this. Carsten
Reading
the exchange on Oriental Gold in today's digest, I believe Dick's Ben
Gilbertson quote concerning new shoot appearance is not correct for
this cultivar.. Our little plant of OG is from Ben Gilbertson stock.
The shootsand mature stem color have no detectable red pigment--this
is the most distinctive character of the Smirnow-named OG, in my
view. I agree that Carsten's description and pictures strongly
support that he has an Itoh Hybrid Group Oriental Gold, as pictured
in the Japanese Tree Peony Society book. Ken Clare (Frankford
Nursery, Canada) sent us a plant in 1999 of stock which I understand
he obtained from Japan. In appearance it seemed to clearly to fit the
Itoh Hybrid cultivar group. The duplication of names in commerce is
unfortunate, but is probably not going to change. Best wishes to all
for a happy and fruitful year 2001. Don
Postscript
to my posting of a few minutes ago: Suppose the Itoh Hybrids Group
'Oriental Gold' is a distinct cultivar, meaning it is a legitimate
cultivar name under the International Code of Nomenclature. It would
not, then, be a synonymn for one of the previously named sorts. Since
there is not another Oriental Gold in the Itoh Hybrids Group, the
name then has precedence under the code. While the use of same
cultivar name in two different groups tends to feel uncomfortable, it
is not without precedent in the world of cultivated peonies. We
currently have in commerce Lutea Hybrids Group 'Alice Harding' and
Lactiflora Group 'Alice Harding'. Including the group name with the
cultivar name may be felt clumsy, it does enable one to make clear
which one is meant. Don
Dear
Don. You are correct, I tried to write in my
message that the podparent of Goldilocks; Oriental Gold has these
light green sprouts, following Ben Gilbertson. This distinctive
character also appears in Huang Jin Lun. So I asumed that Oriental
Gold and Huang Jin Lun are the same. The pictures of Carsten looks
totally different from the yelow- green roots of the Oriental Gold or
Huang Jin Lun I planted. Sorry for the misunderstanding. Dick
Hello
Everyone, In my opinion Oriental Gold is indeed
an Itoh/Intersectional peony. This is based on my observation that I
have only seen Oriental Gold with woody stems. No herbaceous peony
that I know about exhibits this trait. In the spring new shoots grow
out of the ground.Also buds like those observed on tree peonies form
on woody stems (from previous years growth)and send out stems...just
like tree peonies. Helmut
Dear Helmut, That's
interesting, but you have to tell us the history of your 'Oriental
Gold', how long have you had it and from where did you get it? The
plants of 'Oriental Gold' to which I have access are entirely
herbaceous and exhibit those characteristics described by Smirnow in
his original description at the time he registered the name in 1954.
There is however no question that an Intersectional hybrid known as
'Oriental Gold' had entered the literature by 1978. There is
occasional mention made in the literature of another Japanese
gardener, Yugen Higuchi, who was successful at duplicating Itoh's
cross in 1962 but I don't know what happened to those seedlings. It
is conceivable that the "Itoh" type 'Oriental Gold' is the
progeny of that cross but that's only conjecture on my part. In my
mind the true OG is the herbaceous one originally imported by
Smirnow. This is the one that most people think of when OG is
mentioned. There is an aura of mystique surrounding this plant that
seems to draw people's attention. I'm certain it's the most discussed
variety on this group, making an extended appearance at least once a
year. Reiner
Dear
all; According the 'Inter. Code for Names of
Cultivated Plants' this is true, but especially cumbersome in
peonies. For example- the rules essentially state that you cannot use
the same cultivar name within the same designated class. So it
depends on what the designated class really is. Officially the entire
cultivar name consists of the genus 'species' ( or hybrid
designation)and cultivar name such as Crocus vernus 'Albus' - the
common white flowered cultivar of spring crocus. This cannot be
written as Crocus 'Albus' since there are other 'Albus' Crocus such
as Crocus sieberi 'Albus', Crocus laevigatus 'Albus', etc. so the
designated class is the species. For Peonies, the name Paeonia
'Oriental Gold' is equally incorrect and one must write Paeonia "Itoh
hybrid" 'Oriental Gold' or Paeonia "Herbaceous"
'Oriental Gold'. I really don't know the correct designated group
names here, but for the peonies 'Alice Harding' it might be Paeonia
suffruticosa 'Alice Harding' or Paeonia lactiflora 'Alice Harding'.
(I suspect these names are also incorrect) Ideally a peony introducer
would NEVER use the same cultivar name with the designated group
"Paeonia". Another cure might be to call the Itoh Hybrid
'Oriental Gold' by its correct Japanese cultivar name of 'Yokohi'.
Incidentally I think that the name 'Oriental Gold' has precedence
(according to the 'Code") over both 'Golden Wheel' and 'Hung Jun
Lin' although all represent the same plant. Recommendations:
1)
Use the name 'Oriental Gold' for the original Smirnow introduced
herbaceous cultivar.
2)
Determine the correct name for a yellow Itoh hybrid which has been
given the name of 'Oriental Gold' which may be inappropriate. Jim
W.
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